Some of our viewers mentioned that they’d like a Saturday edition of our Q&A, so – here it is!
Some of our viewers mentioned that they’d like a Saturday edition of our Q&A, so – here it is!
We, very often, receive messages from other searchers suggesting that, for a variety of reasons, they wish to share their solutions (solves) to finding the treasure that Forrest Fenn hid – with us.
Up to this time, we’ve asked them NOT to share them with us, as we are actively searching for the treasure, and it could compromise our solution. We have also responded by saying that, if they ignored us, and sent the solution to us anyway, it became our property.
As of this post, we are changing the policy: if a searcher sends their solution (solve) to us, for any reason, we will publish that solution, including the searcher’s name and or email address, on this blog.
Our position on the matter is this: if there is a desire to have the solution shared, share it with everyone.
Ep 003 Forrest Fenn Memoirs Book Club. Join Shelley Carney and Toby Younis on the Forrest Fenn Memoirs Book Club, and drink some fine wine, as we discuss “First Grade” the second chapter in Forrest Fenn’s first memoir, “The Thrill of the Chase.” Live stream followed by Q&A.
Joel Lewicki?Good afternoon, here’s to raising a glass? and learning something! :)??
Man In The Barn?Good? Afternoon All\
James Kruse?Good afternoon?
Jimmy Fast?Hi? everybody
Joey Pero?Hey? y’all!
David Charles Davio22?outstanding..?
Paul McGinty?Good afternoon?
Joel Lewicki?AGK: corkage? is totally made up
Man In The Barn?AGK – 1st Question… Why is is titled First Grade when only the first line is about? the 1st grade? Hmmmmm..
Seannm Seannm?Afternoon? all
Joel Lewicki?AGK:? Audio is good –
Joey Pero?ATK returns? ! Toby- that UPS should arrive tomorrow.
James Kruse?A? tipsy bliss:)
B Cross?Ready.? Set..Go!
Eric Schmidt?AGK: Last night was? fun!
B Cross?Lookin good? and soudin better!
Journeyman?Hey everybody!!!!! 70 in? Missouri today
Cindy Guess?Sound is? good!
Joey Pero?Nice ! 57? here in NYC. Not bad.
Michael Elder?[message retracted]
David Charles Davio22?THe TIME stamp is not? True.
Laurie James?his fascination with olive jars continues? …
Mary Green??? housekeeping?
Kira?illegitimate is? also the irony Fenn said john charles mother called him
Joey Pero?Ohh scandalous? !
Laurie James?Fremont Pass above Leadville,? CO
Ben Parisi?Hi all?
Kira?Theres Fremont everything in the? Rockies
Joey Pero?We can? all relate!
Laurie James?I think he had low self esteem because of Skippy being such a large? being … a lot to live up to.
David Charles Davio22?TIME Stamp…THE correct date Wednesday 16 sept. 1936 . page 16… Very? INTERESTING.
Mary Green?agk ff picked on bc dad was the principal?
Journeyman?AGK I don’t see Fenn doing that (the sign) even at that age. It seems the only? one opinions he cared about was family.
Phillip Jennings?AGK: I’m here late, if? this chapter covers the class photo did you ever notice there is an extra name?
jaswinters?yes i think? he mention it in an interview with his hair
Laurie James?think buckets came from miners carrying? their food into mines …
Kira?no name cigarettes are also known? as marijuana.
Seannm Seannm?Or just cheap? aka no names.
Man In The Barn?AGK… He speaks more then just the olive Jar. Ge speaks about? how the olives are placed in it. I am confident it is a reference to a Gabion you will see at the location.
Mary Green?agk no? name cigarettes prince albert in the can
David Charles Davio22?Yes it? Does. I have most the book memorized.
Journeyman?Roll your own ciggs. were cheap and no? branding, very popular back then
David Charles Davio22?There IS a? Keyword!
Kira?420 is good for? chemo. rabbit hole to tie back to cancer.
Jimmy Fast?@david? Charles what is it?
Laurie James?Thank You? Shelley! The brains.
David Charles Davio22?HINT.Just? heavy loads= depression..Water high= current..SO Depression-era currency. RESEARCH.THE 1933 Double eagle coin. THEE MOST collected coin in the world ! THATS the BOMB.
Mary Green?agk cool a? book of the analysis
James Kruse?Great? info, thanks guys
David Charles Davio22?Olive green.? IS the military
Eric Schmidt?Jolly? Green Giant rescued him..
David Charles Davio22?Jimmy . I’ll let? you if you get it write.
Phillip Jennings?AGK: Shelley, Forrest mentions that he has the mind of a 13yr old, or that a 13yr old mind? is the one he kept. Are you using this to look for hints in the book, how?
David Charles Davio22?Community?
Joey Pero?The? Best!
David Charles Davio22?jimmy. Time stamps ? Are? they fact or not?
Tl Mattes?Thanks Mods!!?
Seannm Seannm?AGK: you skipped the? first paragraph of the chapter, any reason why?
Mary Green???Thanks? Mods!!
Joey Pero?I think Fenn has said that one of his first memories was hearing his grandmother talking about the Native? Americans chasing the chickens in the barn.
Joey Pero?Haha my? first concert was the Monkees in Buffalo, NY Weird Al was the opening act in 1986
David Charles Davio22?Page 4 ALPHA. page 6 W Omega, age refers? to page 6
jaswinters?Wierd? Al is going to be where i live June 9th Clear Lake, Iowa??
Seannm Seannm?AGK: the first grade chapter almost seems to be a allegory to Forrest’s introduction to social standings, hence the “first? grade”
Joey Pero?AGK I believe? the olive jar description is a hint for boots on the ground. Thoughts?
Inna Yarm.?Hi Shelley &Toby! Great show! you are? creating a special energy around Fenn’s story! Two questions: 1)how often do you see Fenn? 2) will you open a travel business based on Fenn’s story? thank you!
Paul McGinty?AGK A gabion is a cage, cylinder,? or box filled with rocks, concrete, or sometimes sand and soil for use in civil engineering, road building, military applications and landscaping.
Susan Heckenliable?maybe olives in the? jar is describing rocks stacked on or around the treasure
Dan Kirk?ATK: Do you think the clues could? all be metaphors? i.e. Canyon isn’t actually a canyon but something else?
Seannm Seannm?AGK: the two hairs and? DNA mention is from the huff post 9-17-13 article by Margie Goldsmith.
Paul Wood?Atk what do u think? 10000 means
Brian Poeppelman?Sydney Kacir (last name), Pat Morisak,? Edard ???
Eric Schmidt?Paul, you mean 10200??
Laurie James?A Gabion? a cylindrical wire cage filled with stones. sometimes used in dams or dikes.
David Charles Davio22?KiDs See Faces,? in clouds, maps.
Brian Poeppelman?The circles in the school picture aren’t complete circles…? seems strange.
Joey Pero?^_____you’re a thinker Brian!?
Eric Schmidt?BRIAN!! Excellent? find – hadn’t noticed that
Cmonkeyification?AGK: Is email a good way to reach you? guys?
Journeyman?The circles are 2 – 3 lines apiece.? and all but one is open at the bottom. Always bothered me also.
Man In The Barn?Gabion Wall… It’s worth googling and then looking at page 177? in TFTW.
David Charles Davio22?TIME stamps are? Important. Hint.
Timothy Alkire?The stamps are being used as Lat. or Long. Take 1+9+33=43 or 1+9+3+3=16 this is? important…
Bryan Schultz?Fenn? is an emotional man? interesting
Seannm Seannm?AGK:? so Toby you consider yourself a cold cognitive and Shelley more a hot cognitive?
Forrest Lovette?Hey guys,? another Forrest here!
Dan Kirk?[message retracted]
David Charles Davio22?Warm water halts = cool water starts. THATS a big hint.?
David Charles Davio22?Canyon down? = Down in the valley.
Dan Kirk?AGK: Sorry I keep typing “ATK” because I am also a fan of America’s Test Kitchen,? and they sometimes say “ATK”
Mary Green?@ Timothy Alkire, tried that with time stamps didnt? get anywhere, that said yes thats it the chest corrds
Bryan Schultz?You? could always make the point that the gold coins are new and old. Old gold but newer coins
Timothy Alkire?[message retracted]
Eric Schmidt?AGK: The? only circle that matches Fenn is Kacir
Jimmy Fast?The arrow? is fenn in the first row…circles are his childhood friends
David Charles Davio22?PIE. marbles, coins = clocks time? compass
Bryan Eagle?and brother? circled
Seannm Seannm?AGK: check your email. I sent you the link to the? article. And yes it does speak about DNA and carbon-12 testing.
Journeyman?EDARD? is not circled
Brian Poeppelman?AGK: “John Charles whatever” gets to “John Charles Fremont”. I agree with. How does “Ora Mae” not get to “Ora Mae Washington” – ‘Queen of Tennis’??
Jimmy Fast?Edward? is the first circled kid on the left
Journeyman?Sorry your right?
David Charles Davio22?HINT.Just heavy loads= depression..Water high= current..SO Depression-era currency. RESEARCH.THE? 1933 Double eagle coin. THEE MOST collected coin in the world ! THATS the BOMB.
Bryan Eagle?Ora Mae was Whoopi’s character in “Sister Act”, didnt she roll her own? in that movie?
Laurie James?that’s exactly it? Toby!
B Cross?Great show?
David Dow?Fun show? today.
Joey Pero?You’re the best !?
B Cross?Maybe Pinot next week?
Journeyman?Great? show see ya soon!
Timothy Alkire?Mary, it’s not the TC but it puts you where you will find the Blaze and the TC is when you look quickly down. Don’t look at? your feet look way down because he has a 1,000ft bluff behind him.
Tl Mattes?Good Job Everyone!? Thanks ??
Mary Green?thanks agk? another great show
Road Runners?See ya Saturday?
David Charles Davio22?RIGHT on Much? love
diego kelly?good? show
Eric Schmidt?Thanks? guys
Timothy Alkire?TTOTC IS ALL? ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
Mary Green?@ Timothy Alkire, ill study again?
Thumbs up if you think it’s a good idea, thumbs down if not. Feel free to make comments below.
Shelley and Toby discuss the question of whether the finder of Fenn’s treasure will actually own it – or not.
Scholarly papers for download:
Click here to download Kleeberg’s paper on “Treasure Trove Law in the United States.”
Click here to download the Congressional Research Service’s paper on “Federal Land Ownership.”
Live Chat from Today’s Program
A Gypsy’s KissToday’s program starts at 1pm MST.
Joel LewickiGood afternoon – welcome to the locus in quo!
Nikolai StrovI smashed my phone on the ground yesterday.. I won’t be around as much :):
Paul McGintyGood afternoon
Man In The BarnGood Afternoon All
James KruseHi guys
An Average Personhey all
Eric SchmidtGood afternoon
Edward OwenHi Guys
Rick PlankHello from Cincinnati
Nikolai StrovHAPPY VALENTINES DAY!!
Jay Elltop-o-the afternoon ya, boyo!
AksarbenHello from Omaha
clay spenceA Big Texas Happy Valentine’s back at you All!
Joey PeroAll men Shelly – I think you’ve found your audience !
Michael koenHello from NC
Nikolai StrovJoey isn’t even 21! 😉
Cindy GuessVolume is low today
Crow DudleyAGK.. hello from southern Indiana… You guys are awesome.
Eric SchmidtVolume is good for me..
CmonkeyificationVolume low on Shelley only
AksarbenThe person who has title owns it… Forrest has said that in his videos multiple times
Rick Plank@AGK: I liked your desktop microphones much better.
Sandy Wolfhello from West Virginia just want to say love your show
Joel Lewickifor further research: https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/…
Dan KirkAGK: If you find the treasure, will it be difficult do do this show and pretend like it wasn’t you who found it?
Bill Gormanaudio was fine now sounds like Toby is in a barrel. Somebody just has a cheep computer with poor sound
RedneckExpressToby is loud and clear – Shelly you mic is still low
Nikolai StrovHe was of clear mind when he decided to trove his treasure
Tl MattesSomebody is in the office working, unable to turn it up full blast, Bill. Don’t talk bad about my sister!
Road RunnersWado from the Osage Reservation in Oklahoma.
Steve Gaghagenhello from snowy Kearney Nebraska
Eric SchmidtThey have new mikes this week..
AksarbenPossession is 90% of ownership 😄
Joey PeroHaha 37 but thank you !
Nikolai StrovThats my age too 😃
Denise BagleyTitle to the “gold” not the bracelet or the bronze chest.” That may be how he’ll know someone has found it.
RedneckExpressTitle to the gold is Also part of a final clue – IMO
Nikolai StrovI believe it is someplace that is accessible to the public, you can NOT go looking for treasure in a national PARK.. These rules/laws are different in national FORRESTs
Denise BagleyDo tell… Redneck
Nikolai StrovAlso, with all this said, this should narrow the search area/s down significantly
Bill GormanForrest service cop told me I could keep it, sheriff said I could keep it, state trooper said I can keep it
Joel LewickiArticle referenced: https://www.inc-cin.org/assets/pdf/ar…
Eric SchmidtBill – you preparing for your rebuttal?
Steve Gaghagenisn’t national Park land public land set aside for us?
RedneckExpressDB: I believe Toby is accurate with the transfer of ownership verbiage, and also believe Numerous things in the poem mean 2 or even 3 different things.
Dale RichardsI had a BLM employee tell me that anything left on BLM land becomes subject to their rules of removal aft the 50 year mark.
Wade KampsThis is why I rule out the treasure being placed on any reservation, then you also have to deal with another sovereign government
RedneckExpressSeriously doubt it’s on private or tribal land…
Michael koenBLM land
Wade KampsRailroad bridges on reservation are all made of metal, they kept burning the wooden bridges and any freight that fell on tribal land became property of the tribe.
Nikolai StrovLadies, I hope your man’s spoil you with infinite sweet nothings, all the flowers in the world and more love, hugs and kisses than the eye can see.. Happy Valentimes! See you all next time ♥🙏
Eric SchmidtActually don’t blame the native americans for taking the tribal land so seriously as they have historical been taken advantage of
Steve GaghagenI agree Eric it’s one thing we didn’t take back
Road RunnersYou’re so right Eric.
Eric SchmidtI have read quite a bit about this – one of the toughest reads was Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.
Denise BagleyThat was? Or is ? I think that was a mistake , I hope.
john gouldThe govt will always make the case. (Yo confiscate). What do they have to lose?
Steve GaghagenLittle Big Man one of the best movies to show how we really treated the natives
Mary Green@ Denise Bagley caught that too
David Ursinyfenn is smart chances are that the box contains one gold coin and a paper ticket saying come get your treasure with his phone number
Michael koenFenn has said it’s not buried
Eric SchmidtMichael – he hasn’t said whether it’s buried or not, “That’s a clue I don’t want to give”
amy smithHi! I’m late
fossilman123hello from Phx
clay spenceI can’t get the live streaming up. any ideas?
Clayton WatsonPerpetually late, but finally here!!
11B 2P Treasure finderHi Shelley, hi Toby
Mary Green@ clay spence clear your cookies
A J Rainville@clay spence refresh browser?
clay spencedone and done. Thanks. will have to see it later. cell service must be bad here. tks.
Franklin EaversI would speak with an attorney to see what the best place for me to find it would be.
Eric SchmidtAGK: United AIrlines magazine is Hemispheres
JanKirbhey fossilman i’m in phx too
Mary Green@ clay paste url again
clay spence@ mary will do. tks
Bill GormanA road is not a trail
Franklin EaversCan law enforcement make you say where it was found? In that case I would have a story.
Steve GaghagenAGK you did a video awhile ago with a great Fenn timeline can you refer me to what the title to that video is?
Bill GormanForrest cop told me I can keep it
Clayton WatsonBy my calculation you have approx 100 days to adjust your search area, find the chest, and implement “your plan for when you find the treasure” before I get there…plus or minus a few snow days 😉
KiraBill, a cop isnt a lawyer, it wont hold up.
Michael koenIt won’t be foumd before June
JanKirbis the Shelley campaign still on?
Laurie Jamesa boyfriend with a treasure chest please!
Dale RichardsAGK: so, do you think that “go in peace” means to not be confrontational at all, if approached by law enforcement or a government employee?
AJ 21Agk What if you go public with the treasure what happen then?
amy smithI wonder if there are mosquitoes close to the treasure?
Eric Schmidtremove the space before the first “01”
Dan VonBankwatching in Minnesota
Denise BagleyIn the interview just played Forrest says that you need to report it…was that a National Park? I just missed where he said you’d have to report it. Even though it would still belong to the finder.
Clayton Watson@AJ21 There exists the potential to make enough money doing publicity gigs and write books that you can keep the chest!
jaswintersAGK So just to be clear is there any land out there legal to find the treasure chest without having any complications?
Bill GormanSheriff said I can keep it, he just suggested carrying a gun for the 200 pound cats
Man In The BarnAGK – When you auction off the chest would you be selling publishing rites to the autobiography and story or will you be keeping that?
Franklin EaversHe doesn’t say you ‘need’ to, he says that’s the ‘legal’ thing to do. I wouldn’t tell anyone until it’s safely transported.
Adam FoddyAGK: Has there been any cases of “treasure” being found with the finder losing out due to legal issues?
Joey PeroNot yet
Steve Gaghagenwe say it carnie
amy smithI think it’s because your mic is too low to why
Steve HuntIf you aren’t the (anonymous) finder, would you say it’s not you?
AksarbenForrest says he has a feeling it will be found this summer. Do you feel the same or do you think it is to get people off the computer and out to the mountains
JanKirbAGK Fenn seems so sure of no legality issues that do you think the chest contains a title document to the treasure that passes to the founder?
James KruseMight try moving the lapel mic higher up Tody
Peter Longanshould the finder document the location for legal reasons
Miter BrollerAGK. We all know what Clue #1 is, but interested in what Clue #9 is for you? Which line/sentence?
Bill GormanThey don’t let me in the other Fenn Facebook groups, I know too much.
amy smithI had one!
Dale RichardsAGK: I had a question above
Michael koenbesides the treasure the only thing I havn’t found is a car wreck in a ditch
Melinda TruscelliHow often do you go out and search? How many have you done so far?
Peter Longanagk should the finder document the location for legal reasons
AksarbenMichael were you in Kristin when you saw that wreck
Wade KampsWonder if Forrest wanted to throw his bones on the treasure because Indian bones would trump Forrest Fenns title to his claim? sort of a poke at the govt..
Bill GormanI went to the Denver Museum last week, I wasn’t impressed with it.
Michael koenI have found the rr, the cametary and fire circle
Dale RichardsAGK: some BLM areas have a 5 gallon bucket rule. Would removing a Treasure Trove be allowed with that rule in place?
Bill GormanAnubis and the Mammoth outside are the only clues at Denver Nature Useum.
James KruseThat’s interesting
amy smithAGK: do you think if there are mosquitoes where he hid the treasure?
Melinda Truscelli[message retracted]
Bill GormanAs a camp host at a Forrest service campground, I know all the law enforcement for the area and they all told me I can keep it
James KruseAgk: would you open the chest or auction it sealed
Happy Valentines …..
Melinda TruscelliAGK how many searches have you been on and how often do you go?
Bill GormanIt will be one of his jars with the title to go claim it
Denise BagleyI love your show! Thank you.
Dale RichardsAmy: I think Forrest said he accidentally left his sardine sandwich in the chest when he dumped his gold in it.
B CrossAGK: Are you aware of any interview with Forrest conducted this year with author James Frey?
Eric SchmidtB Cross – you been watching Cowlazars?
Peter Longanagk when or did fenn say that the chest could be affected by natural desaters.
Laurie JamesFYI. Toby, you really need to read House of Rain by Craig Child’s. It’s a wonderful book.
Road RunnersAGK – Off topic somewhat but can you tell me whether or not there are lignite deposits in or adjacent to Cimarron Canyon?
Mary Green@ B Cross, u beat me to that Q
Denise BagleyWhat if you tell people where you found it? Would they have to prove it? I can’t see what I am typing so forgive my mistakes.
Edward OwenAGK did forrest say once that the Blaze cannot be seen from Google Earth?
Allie Blancheagk do you have to report the $100,000 in cash that’s sitting in the chest?
David DowAGK: could you create an entity owned by a self directed Roth IRA, therefore when you find it, you don’t really own it, but your Roth IRA OWNS IT, then no taxes need to be paid?
JanKirbAGK can we exclude NM owned public land and city owned pubic land or not?
Denise BagleyLike couldn’t you tell people and they’d have to prove it? Whom ever finds it could say it was found somewhere whether it wasn’t found.
Bill GormanJames Frey said my photos were “Amazing”
amy smithAGK: do you know if FF’s father really took his own life and the details to finding his body?
Mary Green@ David Dow, im going to ask a account friend about that
Man In The BarnAGK – If someone else find the trove and you find out the location afterwards would you announce report on it?
AksarbenCould you avoid legal issue by lending or just donating it to a museum for an extended/permanent time frame
Steve Gaghagenthanks for the answers Toby and Shelley love the show great as always Happy Valentine’s day great to be back for a live stream
Jimmy Fast[message retracted]
Franklin EaversSame question as Jimmy Fast.
Michael koen5 gallon bucket rule is for petrified wood
Denise BagleyAGK, we should have a secret party with all invested in the hunt.
Joey Pero@AGK thoughts on the colors mentioned in Tea with Olga?
Bill GormanThe trove is the Drawings, find the Art in Nature if you’re brave because you will be critisized for seeing Rockwell’s in rocks.
Bill GormanFrey loves the Mammoth Temples fits his fantasy style.
Dale RichardsATK: Do you think Forrest or an affiliate of his has staked a claim where he hid the treasure? If so, entirely different set of rules.
David Ursinynone of that legal stuff will count on federal property because all you will find at the bear canyon campfire is a box with one gold coin and a ticket saying call me to get your treasure, its a legal
Steve GaghagenAGK what are the 6 questions you’ve decided on?
Michael koenthere has been a landslide near where I am looking
Sandy WolfMichael get a metal detector
If I ever found the treasure, I would split it with you guys for sure. Your dedication to this project is profound.
Bill GormanFenn was asked if an earthquake would hide it and he acted as it could.
David Ursinyits a legal thing for somebody getting hurt with a pile of gold forrest lawyers schooled him its hiss show
Eric SchmidtAGK: he said you couldn’t zoom in enough to see the chest – I don’t think he said whether or not you could see the blaze
Peter Longanthank you for that answer
Sandy Wolfif treasure is on private land can you still claim it
Eric SchmidtI thought that was on the Moby Dickens video..?
Dale RichardsATK: I think he buried it in sand. He made mention of that in referring to a poem in his book. Do you think that digging in the sand does not create a surface disturbance?
Bill GormanAGK found in a state ROW?
Sandy Wolfthat’s why he said take it and leave it’s probably on private land
Joey PeroATK = only on Thursdays haha !
Sandy Wolfhow do we no that no one has found it cause of tax purposes he said he hasn’t been back to make sure it’s there
WorldFamous Gameris it possible to find out where Forrest’s properties?
Seannm SeannmAGK & All: the key word may be trove, and the fact that he says “leave my trove for all to seek”. This line in the poem may cover the legalities of ownership. He spent a whole bunch of $ on lawyer
Edward OwenThank you eric
Dale RichardsAGK: So then, do you think I should do the right thing and put it back? 😉
Eric SchmidtNo problem! Glad to help
fossilman123AGK, can you add this question to the list of FF Questions…..FF said he hid the treasure , Is it hidden out of view?
Michael koenLater all, tks
Clayton WatsonAGK: Bill Gorman is referring to State Right-of-Way. I.e. bar ditches and such
James KruseThanks guys, good show!
WorldFamous GamerGod bless y’all have fun
Eric SchmidtThanks again Toby/Shelley
Tl MattesGood Job everyone! Thanks
Cindy GuessThank you, AGK!
Paul McGintyThank you
Mary Greenthank you
Jay EllAGK: Other than being in his book, is the poem signed by FF to prove the poem is his for certain Forrest Fenn’s?
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