A Hint in Fenn’s OUAW? (The Curious Case of the Unique Postmark)


We have just begun our research on the postmarks printed in Fenn’s 11th book, and 3rd memoir, “Once Upon a While.” The first step in our research was photographing each of the postmarks in the book. While shooting the photos, this particular postmark stood out. We’ll discuss it, and our research into the postmarks in our next vlog: 1pm MST, Tuesday, November 28, 2017. Subscribe today to receive a notice, or open this window at the date and time above: https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss/live

And, we’ll post the other postmark images immediately upon the conclusion of our show that day.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Shelley & Toby

 

How Fenn Answer’s Question – Live Stream with Q & A (Includes Text from Chat)


Text from Live chat

A Gypsy’s Kiss​Hello! Who would like to be our chat admin today?

A Gypsy’s Kiss​Start your questions to us with AGK:

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati.

Sledneck​Surprise show, cool, maybe I am just out of the loop. lol

Justin Posey​Greetings from Austin, TX

cwd.tvtribal1000​hello saw you at book signing:)

Justin Posey​Her last name is “Luce” 😃

B Cross​Good evening!

Chris Bischof​AGK- Weren’t you a little surprised that Preston & Fenn didn’t even mention the ‘Fenn’s car parked at the Denver Museum reference’in the forward? I realize its probably an “unhelpful hint”.

Chris Bischof​AGK – Seems like it was a huge statement to go unaddressed.

Sledneck​hard to talk about a book when you have not seen it…

Justin Posey​AGK: What are your thoughts on Preston indicating there are clues in Forrest’s new book? Forrest’s posture following Preston’s comment seemed to indicate Forrest was uncomfortable with that statement.

David Dow​Greetingd from Nevada City, California.

Michael De​It would have been so much nicer if the questions were submitted ahead of time and reviewed by the people on the stage.

Rick Plank​AGK: I got the feeling that Forrest wanted to go on, but he said that he was not in control here. Did you also get that feeling?

Michael De​AGK I asked last week about another book by Fenn. I was wondering if the book inside the treasure chest might get published after the chest is found?

Justin Posey​AGK: Which question were you planning to ask Forrest at the recent book signing, Toby?

cwd.tvtribal1000​agk… did Fenn store the treasure at his home before he hid it….or gallery?

Chris Bischof​AGK: Sorry off topic a bit. Do you recall an instance in his books or interviews where Forrest talks about Slip & Slide Creek? It’s killing me but cant find a specific reference.

MR G​AGK-Fenn has said that “WWWH” happens at a 1000 places in the rocky mountains. Do you believe that the “WWWH” in the poem is one of these places?…

MR G​Or do you think that his “warm waters halt” is something completely different?” i.e., only one specific place in the entire search area. Thanks.

Rick Plank​AGK: One of his responses at Moby Dickens was “Do you have a plane?” That response has always intrigued me. What are your thoughts?

MR G​AGK-Do you think that Fenn, in years past, flew his plane close to the treasure location and even landed? Thank you.

Michael De​Agk Thank you for your vlogs

JanKirb​AGK could the treasure be on private land that he owns somewhere in the 4 states?

Justin Posey​AGK: Forrest originally had an IOU in the chest as a way to see if it had been found. He has since devised a better scheme. Any thoughts on what the methodology is?

Cindy Guess​Thank you!!!

steve remple​AGK. Hello enjoy your blogs. In the book TTOTC pg128. He writes at age 58 he realizes that he has slept a little over 19 years of his life and 3 of those years were on Monday. Is this a clue???

cwd.tvtribal1000​agk has forest said if the gramar is correct…if Brown is a name meek not a name

Justin Posey​Game & trail cam 😃

Chris Bischof​Justin – I think there is something more in the chest instead of the IOU. He alluded to the fact he discovered a better way.

David Dow​Game cam

Justin Posey​Chris: I agree, and I also agree with Toby in that it is not electronic in nature.

Chris Bischof​I concur. FF doesn’t seem like a techie. Haha.

Bill Gorman​Hey, I caught you two live

Michael De​Maybe there’s a camera in the HOB

Bill Gorman​”Suddenly I felt like a crippled ant in an elephant parade” f

Justin Posey​Thank you, folks!

sharpcf73​Where you find it

Bill Gorman​Michael there are several cameras along the poem’s path

B Cross​Thanks for today’s Stream!

steve remple​thanks gypsy

Bill Gorman​You’re holding me up from doing a 360 drone video of the Fennzone.

cwd.tvtribal1000​agk OK thanks…send me private message if u like

Justin Posey​Shelley: congratulations and best of luck on the new channel!

Michael De​So Bill, your about to find the chest?

Bill Gorman​Men watch Shelley for reasons other than topic.

cwd.tvtribal1000​HI bill I saw you at once upon a while signing

Bill Gorman​Tusk!

cwd.tvtribal1000​u showed me omegas

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Photo Album: Macro, Hi-Res Photos of Postmarks in Fenn’s Thrill of the Chase

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The Fenn Inflection Points: May 18 and November 2, 2017 (Live Stream with Q&A) – Live Chat Included Below


LIVE CHAT

Special thanks to Man in the Barn for volunteering to moderate our chat.

Jimmy Fast​For not being able to hear, Forrest sure came alive and changed the subject when Shiloh said you should see the museum basement

Seannm The “Third Act” so to speak

Michael De​what about the “unauthorized biography with the treasure?

B Cross​AGK: I was surprised Forrest said it was not really raining at Borders as he said Did I understand him correctly that he added that simply as a matter for readers” interest?

Joel Lewicki​ AGK: Do you think his reticence to answer questions is because he is concerned that he will go off script and reveal more than he wants?

Eric Schmidt ​Michael De – that is not available to anyone

Cindy Guess​ AGK: Have you met Shiloh previously and do you think Fenn’s children/grandchildren have had any interest in searching for the treasure.

ashley bergstrom ​AGK: Or do we think Shiloh will keep a presence with searchers going forward?

MR G​ What is with this Kyle guy that has posted a series of new videos about the Treasure being at San Lazaro and some secret book about “Lost Kivas”?

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ Kelly is daughter told me she went on a search. she wouldn’t say where though.

gallant171​ AGK: What kind of clues, if any, do you think are in the new book?

Man In The Barn ​AGK – well said- During the release of the OUAW the FF team started referring to TFTW as a memoir. I always heard it as a scrap book. Do you see that as something to pay attention too?

Michael De ​AGK do you think FF last book will be the Unauthorzed biography”?

OG Slap Slap​ Thanks dog

Eric Schmidt ​AGK – I have read through the book, and was mostly pleased with the various stories… however the one on the spices was like a big question mark? What was the point of that?

MR G​ Toby have you began reading the new book? Opinion?

Seannm ​AGK: Shelly take Toby shirt shopping 🙂

OG Slap Slap​Lmaooooooooooooo

Jimmy Fast ​Lol

jaswinters ​AGK I do believe there is a chest and been on the chase BOTG twice and like Mr. Fenn but after researching him 2+years he does say he is a charleton and story teller + FBI scandal what do u think?

Eric Schmidt​ AGK – Toby the writer’s name is Max Evans

MR G ​AGK-What is with this Kyle guy that has posted a series of videos about the Treasure being at San Lazaro and some secret book about “Lost Kivas”?

Cindy Guess​ AGK: I believe Mr. Fenn’s facial expression said he knew Preston was going to say the new book contains vital clues. If this is true, do you think we should not believe that it does contain clues?

MR G ​AGK-Toby do you think there is anything in the poem that needs to be deciphered according to a technical/scientific approach?

ashley bergstrom​im taking off from my kids!!

Matt​Careful Toby, those ppl will read between the lines. that no he didn’t draw it, but directed the person to, therefore they reinforce their belief there is something there. lol

GhostriderI​ AGK- From what ya’ll know of Mr.Fenn What are some things that would make a place “special”

Eric Schmidt Ghostriderl they have a vlog on that subject

GhostriderI​ Ok Thanks I missed it

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ I don’t know he ever says never. I’d like him to do videos with you guys. Maybe with questions he has time to see.

Cindy Guess ​Stephanie, I think that would be great!

Eric Schmidt​ There are some… I have found at least one I believe

Cindy Guess​ Hi Sis! I know you’re out there!

Tl Mattes​ Hey

Cindy Guess​ Shelley, love your hair!

Michael De​agk can you chase down the use of 2’s in some future vlog?

Stephanie Thirtyacre ​I agree Cindy. she has great hair.

Steve Klein​ AGK.No clues in new book but Preston says thzere is fenn knows there are no new clues but still lets Preston lie about it to sell the book. What’s up with that?

OG Slap Slap ​AGK: In TFTW Forrest mentioned that there’s no swimming where geyser riverlets enter a stream. He has brought up what to do if you find it on NPS land multiple times. Is it a likely possibility?

Matt Hawrysko​ Congratulations!

Tl Mattes​ Toby woo hoo nothing better than Grandbabies!!

jaswinters​ Congrats on the Grand Baby

Eric Schmidt​ Congratulations Toby!

Stephanie Thirtyacre ​what if the no more clues, because someone is close?

Steve Klein ​Ok then grandpa

steve remple​ akg: In your opinion, the subtle hints in ttotc are hints to all the clues in the poem, or just wwwh? or hob? or the blaze? what are your thoughts?? congrats on new grandkids.

GhostriderI​ Congratulations…😃

Michael De​ AGK congrats, a new team member to search with.

Eric Schmidt​ Sounds good!

Eric Schmidt​ Gotta get back out to work! Talk to you next week! Thanks guys.

Jesse Weaver ​I’m the same way. My closet looks like a cartoon character’s.

Mary Green​ sounds good

Mary Green​agk sounds good

Matt ​I believe the FBI case is why he released the book when he did. during the book release, Fenn said he asked Preston to write the book, way back before Preston wrote the Codex.

B Cross​ AGK: Have you ever seriously considered the Santa Cruz Lake area for the treasure?

Mary Green ​agk did you guys get to Q fenn during the b signing

Matt Hawrysko​ AGK Do you differentiate between hints and clues? do you think there may be more hints in the book even though Preston said clues?

Jim Little​ The key word is located in D. Preston Lost City of M.G.

Matt​ AGK, is there any point in which you’ll give up, if you don’t find the chest?

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ biography in chest….hmm difference in bio verses memoir?

fossilman123 ​if only two clues can be found on a map,is it a waist of time to look for “home of brown” on a map or even other clues

Mary Green ​difference in bio verses memoir, i dont think any diff

Bryan Schultz ​AGK how am i gonna spend that much money when i find it?

Jesse Weaver ​AGK How often does Toby use his pirate voice while you’re BOTG?

Mary Green ​used interchangeably

Michael De​Bryan I’ll be glad to help.

Jim Little ​Forrest got caught up being sage, I hope he can recover

Joel Lewicki​ AGK: Great job in all you do! What advice do you have for searchers who may be stuck on their failed solution to the poem?

Tl Mattes​ Another good job everyone 😃 Thanks for the info.

Cindy Guess​ Thanks!

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ he said Susan designed the cover and he didn’t.

Mary Green ​thanks agk

sharpcf73  ​I was curious about the cover

Matt​ what say you Stephanie, is there a point of ending the search?

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ not yet Matt. I’ve been searching since June 1st. only home for about two weeks total.

Mary Green​ Stephanie Thirtyacre have you figed the word that is key

Matt ​just curious how long the dedication would last by long term searchers before it may be slowly put aside.

steve remple​ Good ? Mary. Have you? For a while I thought it was “waters”

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ I do have a word that’s key. hope it’s correct, but you never know. how about you?

Mary Green ​me too thought waters, now ?

Mary Green​ been working with tarry

steve remple​ I’m leaning toward Brown now…. subject to change

Stephanie Thirtyacre ​mine isn’t in poem.

Matt ​Would you be surprised if there isn’t a word that unlocks anything. but it’s just another term to focus back on the first clue?

steve remple​ Stephanie, hmmm?

steve remple​ not playing by the rules. lol

Mary Green​ fenn said it was in poem didnt he

steve remple ​I believe so

Matt​ visit how the FBI case was dismissed, key word used was discovered. Fenn said they didn’t know, therefore it was dismissed

Stephanie Thirtyacre ​I don’t believe he said it was in the poem. maybe I’m wrong…but not aware he said anything like that.

steve remple​ I’ll look into that Matt. I’m not sure what that’s about.

steve remple ​Stephanie are you currently looking or done for the season

Matt​ go tarryscant, search key word, there is two entries

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ currently

Mary Green​ something like people are in tight focus on a word that is key, so may get solved soon

steve remple​ That’s it Mary

Stephanie Thirtyacre​ bye all. thanks Toby and Shelley.

steve remple​ see ya. happy hhunting

Mary Green​ bye

Mary Green​ was paraphrasing, i think its over at MW

steve remple​ but forrest insists searchers have nothing if they don’t get the first clue correct. Makes me think key word is in first clue?

The Events of May 18 and November 2.

In our YouTube channel live stream this coming week we are going to opine on the events of May 18, 2017 and November 2, 2017 and how they have affected Fenn. The presentation will be followed by Q&A from the live chat, in which we will express more opinions.

Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1pm MT

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If you miss it, the live stream will be posted to our YouTube channel within a few hours after the live stream.

There is no charge for either.

The End Has Drawn Nigh.

The following are my opinions.

I have, on more than one occasion, said and written that the event on May 18, 2017 caused a change in Fenn. He was already tired of the “activity” around the effort to find the treasure he hid. May 18, to me, was the straw that broke the burro’s back. Soon after that, Fenn made a conscious decision to put distance between him and the search. Effectively, he went quiet, to the extent that it became a topic of conversation in the community.

There was, of course, a production effort to get the new book out, but most of the work was performed by Jessica, Susan and Lou – with a little help from Preston. The book, perhaps providing the opportunity for Fenn to pay down some karmic debt. Not that he has much, mind you.

But, if there was any doubt about Fenn circling the proverbial wagons closer to him, the book signing at Collected Works in Santa Fe on November 2, 2017 should put those doubts to rest. Call it his swan song.

(We streamed it. You can see it here.)

Here’s what I observed: a man who has made another conscious decision to spend whatever remains of his life not worrying about whether his treasure he hid is found or not. He’s done. We will cover the topic more in our next week’s live stream on YouTube. Subscribe here.

He will, I believe, go quietly, bravely, confidently, securely, proudly, happily, and with a great sense of satisfaction, into the night.

And, I believe he’s entitled to every bit of it.

Godspeed, Forrest Fenn. Thank you.

How Fenn Answers Questions

There is much excitement about the Fenn Book Signing Event at the Collected Works Bookstore and Coffeehouse in Santa Fe, New Mexico on the evening of November 2, 2017. Can’t be there? No worries. We’ll be live streaming it to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss/live).

There is an expectation that Fenn will be answering some of the hundreds, if not thousands, of questions that searchers have been posing and posting on the various forums, like this one:

“How do you know that the poem can be correctly understood by someone other than yourself? Everyone who reads the poem has their own interpretation of what it means. So how do you know that someone will eventually interpret it in exactly the way that you intended? If you have never revealed the clues and their meaning to anyone else, no one has ever verified that they can be understood in the way you intended. And, it’s possible that no one will ever unlock the precise interpretation of the poem that you imagined. You say that the poem is ‘difficult but not impossible’ which means that you think it is solvable – but what makes you think that it is solvable? How do you know that the clues can be deciphered by other people in the precise way that you intended?”

I’m happy that I’ll be in the audience, with a camera pointed in Fenn’s direction, to capture the look on his face if or when he gets this one.

Which, by the way, will not elicit the answer (or four, as there are four different questions in the paragraph above) the searcher expects.

Fenn will likely respond with something like, “Everything you need to know to find the treasure is in the poem.” I categorize that one as one of his “pat answers.”

So, let’s talk about how Fenn answers questions. Because, he answers questions based on how they are asked. He does nearly the same thing for interviews with journalists or questions from searchers in an audience.

There are four basic types of Fenn responses:

  • The “pat” answer. Fenn responds in this way when he perceives that the question has been asked and answered many times before, i.e., “How old were you when you buried the treasure?” Fenn has answered that question enough times to have developed a pat answer that includes “…I never said I buried it,” and “…don’t go where an 80 year old man couldn’t go.”
  • The misdirection answer. Fenn responds in this way when he perceives that the answer to the question may provide the audience (of one or more) additional hints or clues to the location of the treasure. He may or may not precede the response with something like, “I don’t want to answer that question…” and then move on to what I call “misdirection territory.”
  • The “Yes” or “No” answer. Fenn especially likes questions he can respond to with a simple yes, or no (exclusive of, again, giving out hints or clues). But, it is rare that he doesn’t expand on the yes or no to provide additional information. Unless he doesn’t particularly like you.
  • The avoidance answer. You can tell when Fenn doesn’t like the question when he responds to the question with a question. Which, technically is a form of misdirection. His question is designed to do one of two things – shut you up, or move on.

Recommendations?

As a former journalist and documentary maker, when editorializing, I always ask questions that begin with one or more of the words how, who, where, when, what. I avoid using why unless it’s a hostile interview. I also avoid compound questions, i.e., “What were the conditions on the ground, and when did you realize you were in trouble?”

Unfortunately, that approach doesn’t apply to a Fenn post-book-signing Q&A.

If I was at the event, and I was going to ask questions, they would be short, non-compound, and elicit a “yes” or “no” response, upon which Fenn will provide additional information – if he likes you. If he doesn’t like you – you’re screwed anyway. That is a tactic very different from the one I would use were I a journalist with the opportunity to interview Fenn.

You’re more likely to get a useful response to “Does the sun ever shine directly on the treasure chest you hid?”

You are less likely to get a useful response to the a question like the one I cited above.